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Over the weekend we started a discussion on Twitter and the SMB Blog about whether it was time to quit trading<\/a> for an experienced trader who had emailed me.\u00a0 He had had some past success. Then underperformed for a few years.\u00a0 Had recently started a family offering another important variable.\u00a0 We offered some thoughts via a blog: Is it time to quit trading?<\/a>. \u00a0 There was an unusually high response for this weekend blog.\u00a0 This trader is not alone in his thoughts. That trader responds to our blog below:<\/p>\n

Bella,<\/p>\n

……..\u00a0 Thank you for your thoughts.\u00a0 It is a little unnerving to have such a personal situation put on display for all to\u00a0see, but maybe there will\u00a0be at least one other out there like me who can identify.<\/p>\n

You really\u00a0cut to the heart of the issue:\u00a0I failed to adapt to a changing market.\u00a0 Not for a lack of trying, but the results clearly point to the\u00a0fact that my types of trades were not profitable over the course of many trades.\u00a0 Back\u00a0in my first few years I learned to do a lot of fading.\u00a0 It was a strategy that I learned from my mentor.<\/p>\n

We would fade with small size, trying to\u00a0“buy” information as to weakness or strength.\u00a0 It was ok as long as you didn’t get stupid and double down.\u00a0 The strategy was it was ok to lose a little if it allowed me to “find” the bottom or top (or near the top)–then after that panic moment was in, we would load up on the way back up (or down).\u00a0 It was a risky way to make money, but it\u00a0did instill a great skill for reading the tape during spike moves.<\/p>\n

Also, you almost always knew right away\u00a0or within a few moments whether you were right or wrong.\u00a0 This suited my trading personality as holding positions was and has always been a weakness of mine.\u00a0 Of course, I added my own sorts of plays to the ones I learned.\u00a0 I did a lot of momentum trading\u00a0on shorting weak stocks.\u00a0 I would try to find a level where I thought a stock would break, then have a position to feel it out, and then help to blow out the level when it reached there.\u00a0 But again, rather than holding for long periods I would begin to piece out almost immediately.<\/p>\n

I always like to know whether I was right or wrong as quickly as\u00a0possible.\u00a0\u00a0This is why\u00a0I have found it difficult to adapt.\u00a0 You guys write about Trades2Hold so much, and it is something I would like to implement, but have found the most difficult thing to do.\u00a0 It seems like those sorts of scalp moves, where you know right\u00a0away, are less obvious nowadays, though they still do occur.<\/p>\n

But let me provide an example:\u00a0I was in BKS the other day, when it gapped down big time.\u00a0 After it held the $9.50 level\u00a0off the open, I bought a few\u00a0hundred at\u00a0.60… then I saw strength so I added and had, I think, 700 shares from $9.66.\u00a0 I sold 200 right in front of $10, just because it was a huge level that might offer resistance.\u00a0 But then I looked at the longer term chart and\u00a0felt like there was a good probability that there was a complete reversal off the open developing.\u00a0 I thought there was a good chance it could run\u00a0back up to $11 or maybe even $12.\u00a0 By the time I was thinking all of this it had already run to $10.40s.<\/p>\n

To my credit, I set a stop order.\u00a0 This is something I have implemented to deter\u00a0me from “panicing” to book profits that are disappearing on a pullback.\u00a0 At least now I just pick the price.\u00a0 But instead of risking most\u00a0 or all of my profits and setting the stop at $10, or even $9.66, or even $9.50, I set it around $10.30.\u00a0 It\u00a0closed the day I believe $11.16 and never again touched $10.\u00a0 Just 1 example\u00a0among many where I made a good trade, but failed to properly exit out which would have\u00a0approximately doubled the profits on the trade.<\/p>\n

But back to your blog.\u00a0 I most definitely cannot in good conscience blame my kids for my downturn.\u00a0 Definitely there was more “distraction” and pressure.\u00a0 But really, it wasn’t the pressure to perform.\u00a0 More, I think (this is in hindsight, of course), the pressure contributed to\u00a0a sense of panic when\u00a0the scratch months started to pile on top of one another.\u00a0 This led to a lot of pressing, forced trades when there wasn’t much there.\u00a0 Trying to make something out of nothing.<\/p>\n

Very often, the\u00a0correct play is to do nothing, and wait.\u00a0 You are probably correct, in that I should not have gone 3 years without making money.\u00a0 We are most definitely not “independently wealthy”.\u00a0 Through this time I have struggled with what I “should” or\u00a0“shouldn’t” do.\u00a0\u00a0What is correct from a moral standpoint?\u00a0 Do I stick with it and give myself\u00a0as long as it takes?\u00a0 Or do I flip burgers at McDonald’s?\u00a0 Is is selfish to believe in myself? (redacted)<\/p>\n

I have a passion for trading.\u00a0 This, I never lost, despite my frustration.\u00a0 I really couldn’t care less about the money.\u00a0 To me, it is only a way to keep score.\u00a0 A completely objective tally that doesn’t lie.\u00a0 This is what makes struggling so difficult to\u00a0rebound\u00a0from–I have a very Darwinian view of the marketplace.\u00a0 Those who fail to adapt, die.\u00a0 And rightfully so.\u00a0 They are dinosaurs.<\/p>\n

My mentor blew out his account in 08 (redacted).\u00a0 He quit and moved back home.\u00a0 I’m sure there are a bunch like him.\u00a0 But I adapted enough not to go extinct, but neither am I thriving.\u00a0 I’m in some no-man’s land in between that is untenable.\u00a0 But it is what it is and I am where I am.\u00a0 I can only look forward now.<\/p>\n

I liked how you defined “skills” as a skill to be successful.\u00a0 I really thought you would start talking about trading smaller, or tighter stops, or tape reading, or some such “skill”.\u00a0 That is part of it.\u00a0 But you are right.\u00a0 To be successful entails rising above whatever tape is thrown\u00a0at you.\u00a0 It may not be what you expect, but in the end you have green on the screen.\u00a0 Adaptability is the key to this.\u00a0 Consistency and profitability will necessarily follow.<\/p>\n

So what do I need to do, you ask?\u00a0 I need to get back to basic fundamentals.\u00a0 Setting up good trades that offer decent risk-reward ratios.\u00a0 I need to stop thinking about the past and take it one day at a time, one trade at a time.\u00a0 I need to work harder at my development of trading ideas.\u00a0 More of my time could be spent analyzing charts and setting alerts, identifying levels that might necessitate a trade.\u00a0 I need to be more patient, staying with ideas and trades that are working.\u00a0 I need to implement Trades2Hold.<\/p>\n

When I interviewed with Steve Spencer, I asked how do I get over the feelings of discomfort, watching your “profits” slip away?\u00a0 He said you have to develop the skill, and to start by just holding 100 shares.\u00a0 This I will do because the upside of learning the skill outweighs any paper profits I am protecting.\u00a0 I need to can the lapses in discipline, which usually stem from a lack of patience, or pressing trades that aren’t there.\u00a0 But most importantly, I must believe in myself that I can do it.\u00a0 I need to scratch and claw and get myself back up off the mat.\u00a0 It’s that simple: get back to basics.\u00a0 Just MAKE ONE GOOD TRADE… and then ONE GOOD TRADE….\u00a0and then ONE GOOD TRADE, etc., right?<\/p>\n

I am sorry for writing so much.\u00a0 This probably exceeds my original e-mail.\u00a0 But, believe me, I have thought a LOT about all of these issues.\u00a0 Thank you for taking the time to reply and blog about me.\u00a0 I appreciate your insights and thoughts.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Thoughts?<\/p>\n

Bella<\/p>\n

One Good Trade<\/a>
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